we can talk about how we do it -- >> get specific, steve, because when you start talking about fixing the entitlement program, we're clear, social security is off the table. >> we're not clear. no. >> no. what secretary geithner has said on a separate process. >> eric, we've talked to some degree about the back and forth within the republican party on this deal but haven't spent as much time on what's happening on the left in terms of what the democrats will stomach in terms of entitlement reform if any at all. do you think there is a wing of the party that believes that this process can happen without reform on entitlements? >> no. i don't think anybody who's seriously in the game thinks that. i think the question is, how much do you have to give up, is it reasonable? what are you getting in return as michael said on the other side in terms of tax revenues. so, you know, i think there is a consensus that there has to be a balanced approach and that's what we're going to see happen. the thing about entitlements is republicans haven't really come forward with any specificity as they ha